Wang Lijun sounded like such an arbitrary person. One question the Chinese reporter asked was really good. – Xujun
[in translation; continued from the previous post]
Southern Weekend: The Women’s Traffic & Patrol Special Detachment that was set up under Wang Lijun, will it be disbanded?
Chongqing Police
Official: The Women’s Traffic & Patrol Special Service
Detachment, the idea
for the future is to maintain a normal institutional structure,
there will be
men and women,
some women will be diverted
to
other departments. Let some women comrades join the Traffic &
Patrol
for nonviolent law enforcement, that's all right, but to set a
special women's detachment, we do not quite agree. Especially, the
design of a special uniform for them was a serious breach of regulation,
something that had never
happened in the history of China's public security. Since May 1st
of this year, the Women's Traffic & Patrol Detachment has changed
the uniform.
SW: Any
results after you made the above adjustments?
Chongqing Police
Official: Of course. The police platforms emptied manpower
from the stations, and the basic work in public security was very weak,
that was why the "3 • 19 gun-robbery" case was not solved for
a long time.
When solving the Zhou Kehua case, we did not make big noise. In
less than four days Zhou Kehua was [found and] shot;
police
from stations played a direct role in this, and the masses
provided important clues, which proves the importance of public security
grass-roots work.
SW: After a series of twists and turns, has the operational capacity of the Chongqing Public Security declined?
Chongqing Police
Official: Objectively speaking,
in recent years the Chongqing police's operational
capacity has declined somewhat, but it's hard to say how much.
There are several reasons: First, the 2010 "institutional
reform" made a mess for cadres. Institutional restructuring was
originally required by the central government and the city, and
the requirement
was legitimate.
However, Wang Lijun required all 308 division-level cadres
and
2544 subdivision-level
cadres be dismissed. All had to
start over and try regain their positions through
competition. Because he did not trust the local cadres, Wang Lijun
also required 200 division-level cadres to be transferred in from
outside, but we had only a total of over
three hundred posts at that level. The complete overturn was to pave
the way for outside cadres. At the time, the
comrade who was heading
the Political Department said that, according to regulations,
administration
personnel are appointed but not hired, thus they can't be simply
dismissed from
employment. Wang Lijun thought about it and
said, "Then lets call it 'dismiss from tasks'.". That was how
this new
term was coined by Wang Lijun. In this way, all human resources
were disrupted, a large number of highly skilled cadres effectively
became rookies, and
needed time to get familiar with their new jobs. Secondly, 11,800
new police were recruited and
placed in their posts directly, which caused the poor
quality of case-solving
in recent years. Now we have decided
to start career training for the new police.
SW: I heard that you recently restored posts for some police officials at
division and
subdivision levels who had failed to regain employment through
competition. Does this
mean you let some unqualified officials return to their posts?
Chongqing Police
Official: According to the
regulations, in institutional reform, the filling of posts should
first consider existing
qualified cadres, and then use any vacant posts for employment
through
competition. But he overturned
everything.
When giving
examinations, he made it clear one test that must be included was
whether police had
studied Bo Xilai's and his speeches. After some struggle, we
managed to also include some professional questions. Overall, the quality of cadres who passed the exams was
not too bad.
In the end, 159 division level and 968 subdivision level cadres were
not used. Most
of those were either not allowed to participate in the competition
because Wang Lijun put trumped-up charges on them,
or they passed the competition but Wang did not like them and did
not want to
use them. Recently, this group of cadres went through
re-examination, and 76 division level cadres and 299 subdivision level
cadres were
reappointed. For those
who have reached the retirement age,
their treatment is retained but they no longer work on key posts.
For the few
with very low public acceptance and poor performance, we did not
reappoint.
1123 police demanded
vindication
SW: Recently, we keep hearing that the Chongqing police launched a large scale internal vindication.
How
many police have been vindicated?
Chongqing Police
Official: In May, we set up a special review team headed by a
Deputy Chief, to specifically accept and review complaints of police who
had been punished. So far we received a total of 1123 police
complaints. Because some of the cases involve multiple
individuals, the number of police that require review is 2202.
So far 1796 have been
reviewed; 78% of the original decisions were overturned, 13%
retained, and
9% modified. A number of
departmental, division and subdivision police have resumed
their duties and received retroactive wages. So far 133 resumed
their leadership
positions, including 48
at the division level, and 85 at the
subdivision level. Among another 9 cadres at deputy
departmental level who had been dismissed, 3 have resumed their
positions, and another six are under review.
SW: Why have so many police officers been punished? In what situations have
the original decisions
been overturned, retained, or modified respectively? With so much revocation, it's tempting to think some problematic
police are returning to their posts.
Chongqing Police
Official: Let me give you a few examples:
One, in 2010 a
middle school student drowned in Yongchuan
District. The district police investigated
and concluded it
was suicide. But
the
family refused to
accept the conclusion,
they posted on the internet and advertised
on the
streets offering a reward.
After Wang
Lijun learned about this, he
called the district
police chief and demanded
an immediate arrest of that family. The
district chief
did not make the arrest, instead he let the family and school
negotiate compensation. Later
the family
went to petition
the
Municipal Police Bureau. Wang Lijun
got very angry,
he
called the district chief to his municipal office, scolded
him, and
requested the family members of the deceased to be sent to labor
camp. The district
chief did not follow Wang's instructions. Soon
Wang
Lijun removed him from his position
and transferred him to the command
center to work as a common police for
nine months.
Only
after the new municipal police chief arrived
this year, was he
able to resume his position. He now serves
as the director of
the police coordination department.
Two,
cadres
were indicted for little things. Once, Wang Lijun went to
Kaixian County
for an inspection, and the county police bureau's reception
for his visit did
not meet his high standard.
Wang was
very unhappy. After he returned, he immediately let his deputy
chief Tang
Jianhua form a work team to investigate the county police
bureau's leadership.
In the end, they listed more than 50 counts of crimes and
removed most of the
county police leaders and a large number of cadres. Another
time, Wang Lijun
passed by the Discipline Committee's office and saw the toilet
window's blinds
were broken, he dismissed the entire office. Anywhere he went,
even out of
Chongqing, he required his office staff to tell hotel staff
that, when pouring
wine for him, the wine must be substituted with water.
Sometimes the hotel
staff made a mistake and poured wine instead of water, Wang
would get mad and
punish a bunch of his office staff.
Cases that have been
overturned were mostly
this kind of small mistakes, not enough
for
Party discipline or administrative sanctions. At that time, Wang
Lijun used "admonishing talk" for actual punishment to affect police's
normal promotion. For example, after one year of
service, if the person
got an "admonishing talk," he would not get a
formal position. After investigation, we revoked the sanction on
those comrades.
On the other hand, 13% of the police whose sanctions are maintained
did have problems. For example, some police drove a police car to beat
up civilians. The director of a police
station didn't go to the [crime] site after receiving reports,
instead he demanded
the off-duty deputy director go; the delay caused the suspect to
flee
and run over a person.
These people, under Wang Lijun or not, must be punished by law. In
some cases of
over-punishment, charges were reduced after our investigation.
On police vindication, the former secretary of the Politics and Law
Committee, Liu Guanglei and the current secretary, Liu Pu, all gave specific instructions and guidance. They
requested us to do a good job on ideological
work.
The Municipal
Commission for Discipline Inspection, the Organizational
Department, and the Politics and Law Committee all gave us a lot
of support. Currently,
Chongqing's police force has gradually stabilized.
SW: Recently, there has been news that the Chongqing police
had often used torture to extract confessions, is it true?
Chongqing Police
Official: Recently some people were talking about Tieshanping. (Editorial note: According to media reports,
a militia training base located on top of Chongqing's Tieshanping Forest Park had been used as the "outsourced
interrogation
base" for the "smash
black" campaign). Whether there existed torture is under investigation
by the People’s Procuratorate. I won't comment on
specific cases, but let me make two statements: first, the police departments must
serve their duties to fight against crime and protect the people, any cases violating the criminal
law
and endangering people's lives and property, the police must handle
in accordance with law. Second, any cases handled by Chongqing police, no matter when,
no matter what kind, as long as there is a complaint, we will strictly and carefully
review according to law, fairly and justly deal according to law.
SW: I feel you now blame Wang Lijun for lots of
the problems; Why
didn't the Chongqing Police Bureau's Party Committee play its due role of supervision and
discipline?
Chongqing Police
Official: I'll give you a few more examples. Because a policeman
from Wushan County petitioned, Wang Lijun punished the entire
leadership of the
county's police bureau. The news was spread on the internet, then a bunch of
comrades in the Propaganda Division were punished. At a Party Committee
meeting, a committee
member suggested that "We shouldn't overthrow a large number [of
cadres]." Wang pounded the table, "XXX, screw you! Shut up your stinky
mouth!"
When Woman's Traffic & Patrol Police was established, the
uniform they used
was not the one regulated by the Ministry of Public Security, but
was designed by the order of Wang Lijun. One of the Party Committee
Members suggested that the Ministry of
Public Security has clear regulation on uniforms, and this
[design]
resulted in a serious breach of the
regulation. Wang Lijun was very angry: "XXX, do you mean only
you understand the Ministry's regulations
but not me? Only you follow the decision of the Ministry but not
me?" The committee member had to say: "I didn't mean that, I was just
doing my duty as a deputy." Wang Lijun said, "It's okay to make
suggestions, but always think twice before you do."
Wang Lijun publicly claimed at a Party
committee meeting: "Let me tell you, I can remove, even
arrest, the entire leadership of the Party
Committee within a day." At a police General Assembly, Wang Lijun also said publicly: "All of you (in the audience),
including those leaders on the stage, I can
get within a day."
That sort of thing, first you are unable to change, second you'd do yourself in.
SW: We always say that the
current regulations are all very good,
then why did those things happen under such a good system?
Chongqing Police
Official: This is for
individual reasons. Under the same system, why do we perform
well now?
SW:
Aren't there things worthy of rethinking?
Chongqing Police
Official: Power was
not restrained, power was abused. The lack of monitoring is what
led to some
lawless things happening in the Chongqing Municipal Police
Bureau.
SW:
Did Wang
Lijun have some good
aspects?
Chongqing Police
Official: Some things
seem like his merits. For example, he requested that, if a
police officer has a
traffic accident, whether it's the police's responsibility or
not, he must be
detained. Of course some people supported this.
Public support is of course a good thing, but sometimes
the law was
violated in order to win some people's support, which shouldn't
be done. On the other
hand, even though Wang Lijun punished
a lot of people, sometimes he would use capable individuals who
had offended
him. #
(You can read the Chinese text
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