tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post8188680679367738508..comments2023-08-19T12:02:43.740-04:00Comments on An Immigrant's Evolving Perspective: Also on Literal and Literary TruthXujunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05534267282303815433noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post-90079812469487781112009-01-05T21:43:00.000-05:002009-01-05T21:43:00.000-05:00So sad that the Rosenblats lied about their story....So sad that the Rosenblats lied about their story. Boy in the Striped Pajamas, which was a great book and now movie, never pretended to be true. The Rosenblats, like Madoff, harming other Jews and it's terrible.<BR/><BR/>I read a New York Times article about Stan Lee and Neal Adams the comic book artists supporting another TRUE Holocaust love story. There was a beautiful young artist, Dina Gottliebova Babbitt, who painted Snow White and the Seven Dwarves on the children's barracks at Auschwitz to cheer them up. Dina's art became the reason she and her Mother survived Auschwitz. <BR/><BR/> <BR/>Painting the mural for the children caused Dina to be taken in front of Dr. Mengele, the Angel of Death. She thought she was going to be gassed, but bravely she stood up to Mengele and he decided to make her his portrait painter, saving herself and her mother from the gas chamber as long as she was doing painting for him.<BR/><BR/> <BR/>Dina's story is true because some of the paintings she did for Mengele in Auschwitz survived the war and are at the Auschwitz Birkenau Museum. Also, the story of her painting the mural of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs on the children's barrack has been corroborated by many other Auschwitz prisoners, and of course her love and marriage to the animator of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs the Disney movie after the war in Paris is also a fact.<BR/><BR/>I wish Oprah would do a story about Dina and her art not about the Rosenblats who were pulling the wool over all our eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post-61504868917927060492008-03-15T17:57:00.000-04:002008-03-15T17:57:00.000-04:00Good quote, Eden. And I agree with you in principl...Good quote, Eden. And I agree with you in principle, but it is not always possible to distinguish a purposeful lie from an embellishment.Xujunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05534267282303815433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post-56441347207307586632008-03-15T00:25:00.000-04:002008-03-15T00:25:00.000-04:00Lying to deceive for questionable gain is not the ...Lying to deceive for questionable gain is not the same as embellishing a scene for some dramatic effect. After all, who was damaged by these writers of poor judgment?<BR/><BR/>Always consider the source. <BR/><BR/>"Anyone who believes you can’t change history has never tried to write his memoirs."<BR/><BR/>--David ben GurionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post-81590734966339657972008-03-04T18:17:00.000-05:002008-03-04T18:17:00.000-05:00Lance, Vanessa, and Chancelucky, thanks for chippi...Lance, Vanessa, and Chancelucky, thanks for chipping in. (And Larry, thanks for the interesting angle of your post.) <BR/><BR/>In general terms of literary nonfiction, like Chancelucky I'm less firm than Lance about whether there exists a clear, distinct boundary between truthful story telling and lying. But when it comes to historical nonfiction, I agree that Defonseca has crossed an invisible line. Had she truthfully told the story of the deaths of her parents and her difficult childhood, I don't think it would be less interesting than the tall tale of living with wolfs. I tend to have a more strict attitude toward nonfiction that involves historical facts than personal. For this reason I can tolerant Frey a bit more. <BR/><BR/>Vanessa, people get angry about fact-based fiction all the time, which is kind of ridiculous. A recent case I know is that a Chinese author got sued, because her main character is based on a historical figure. The family of the historical figure accused the author of damaging his reputation, and the author lost the suit.Xujunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05534267282303815433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post-17753370330369477692008-03-04T14:06:00.000-05:002008-03-04T14:06:00.000-05:00Wasn't Frey's book marketed as a "memoir"...While ...Wasn't Frey's book marketed as a "memoir"...While there's some license there, it's not as broad as in "fiction". <BR/>Had either Frey or Defonseca said here's what I wrote, it's fiction ,and I won't comment about any basis in fact, I would have been fine. <BR/><BR/>The interesting thing about Defonseca is that it parallels the controversy around Kosinski's The Painted Bird almost exactly.<BR/><BR/>Some of the arguments about Anne Frank are also fascinating as were many of the concerns about Marco Polo. Basically, I don't think there's a clear line, but Frey and Defonseca both unquestionably crossed it.<BR/>Vanessa,<BR/>I think a lot of fiction is very firmly rooted in fact. It wouldn't upset me at all to find out that the general events in a novel actually happened.Chanceluckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16829789745697541046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post-35740542028682445572008-03-04T13:23:00.000-05:002008-03-04T13:23:00.000-05:00I wonder if the same anger exists if you reverse t...I wonder if the same anger exists if you reverse the situation?<BR/><BR/>If a piece of work hailed as pure fiction turns out to be based on fact, would everyone hop about berating the writer?Vanessa Gebbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00833187671441310234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post-79766861776619954842008-03-04T07:37:00.000-05:002008-03-04T07:37:00.000-05:00Lance,From a writers perspective I agree wholehear...Lance,<BR/><BR/>From a writers perspective I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, and I also agree that such scandals make it hard on other writers. It is not, unfortunately, clear that such deceptions actually hurt the people who perpetrate them (the old all publicity is good publicity maxim). <BR/><BR/>Every writer has to make his or her own judgment about what is acceptable, and how to present it. I am not sure that one line fits all, but there are cases where it is very clear a work stands on the wrong side of it.<BR/><BR/>As a reader I will continue to look for the preponderance of evidence, and hope that more writers have your attitude.Larry Mongosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725421437282889992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13974296645733775.post-3606685725713632352008-03-03T22:04:00.000-05:002008-03-03T22:04:00.000-05:00In my opinion, there is a clear, distinct and defi...In my opinion, there is a clear, distinct and definitive point between telling a good story and lying outright to your audience.<BR/><BR/>No matter the feeling behind the story--whether to provide some dissent to the corporation that is AA or to bring light to the pain behind the Holocaust--the authors Frey and Defonseca delegitimized their stories instantly as soon as the line was crossed. The reason? Because while, yes...writers write to earn a living at their passion, the important part is that it is indeed that PASSION which drives them.<BR/><BR/>Frey and Defonseca's only goal was to snag publishers to make a quick buck and ensure tongues wagging about their "skills", with no regard whatsoever to the potential damage to the reputations and careers of the people who were advocates for them at these publishing houses, and who believed in them.<BR/><BR/>Tongues are wagging, all right...just not in the way either of these frauds might have liked.<BR/><BR/>--LanceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com